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Hi, I have installed a sunny island 3 years ago and generator still will not charge the batteries. After a number of tests SMA (We are based in the UK and they have offered very little support) have offered to provide a new invertor but we want to ensure it is sunny island. We have 2 x 3KW sunny boys feeding in solar power which works and a 6KW lister generator for power. However the generator won't charge, Below is an overview of the issues we have faced this far. We would be very grateful if someone has any advice to get our farm supply working I hired a 2,4 KW petrol generator and the invertor would charge the batteries.
However when I got GEM services (experienced generator / invertor technicians) to check the generator they found no issues. They put in the new batteries but could find nothing wrong with it. When they proceeded to try and make the SMA invertor work they were as mystified as the previous engineer The engineer has 5 other customers who have the same generator with outback invertors and that works fine. Also my Victron invertor charges batteries with the generator with no issue.
When the generator is on, the invertor tries to synchronise with the generator and as soon as it tries to start charging, the generator voltage plummets to below 180V then fault code W351 and W319. With all the following tests the same thing happens & the voltage drops so fast that the pitch of the generator engine does not change (about 2 seconds) Tests carried out. Disconnecting all inputs and outputs other than batteries (the generator live and neutral were the only connection). Disconnecting the earth / neutral connection to the generator. Generator charging voltages and Hertz to make sure they were well within the invertor acceptable parameters. Reducing the charging current for the batteries.
Testing the voltage dip on the generator when a 3 KW heater was put. The impact was minimal The only fault that could be found was that part of the date on the data card was corrupted. We then got a new data card (same size) and the data was also corrupted.
Would this cause any problems? Below are Possible solutions for you to fix the problem:. Get you to replace the invertor under the warrantee as you have offered.
However TBC if this would solve the problem as the existing one charged another generator. Buy another generator – cheapest startomatic is about 2000 GBP, but how can I spent this money without knowing it could be the same problem. Although unrelated to your situation, I have a single cylinder Kubota diesel clone 5Kw generator which when used with an inverter welder, the voltage collapses when you try to strike an arc, this in turn quenches the arc making welding almost impossible. The solution was to use a voltage stablizer, this maintains a constant output voltage when there is a change, or introduced load.
The inverter charger will have very similar rectification circuitry as an inverter welder including capacitor load, this is very different to a restive load such as a heater, the generator has to play catch up to the initial voltage sag, but being that the generator has no regulator to increase the fuel delivery, the response time is too slow. If everything works with a generator with regulation, it is possible, I'm assuming the Lister is single cylinder with fixed throttle and large flywheel, that the reaction time is too slow and the inverter rejects the input as bieng too low a voltage. The welder works fine with a regulated generator so perhaps the problem is related. Just food for thought. BTW what do the error codes define? With Lister's (or their clones) you have the Engine and the Alternator Head. You need 2hp for each KW of power, so my 6hp can drive 3Kw of electricity.
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I have it connected to a ST-5 generator head, which helps handle any load/line imbalances. And with the 650 RPM and a single cyl, there is a 5.5hz 'wobble' in the Fq & voltage, My XW6048 ramps it's loading up over the space of a couple seconds, which lets the generator 'catch up' From full load to no load, I have about 6 Hz sag, Voltage on my ST-5 with self-excited harmonic winding ends up being quite stable, but the ST heads are reported to have a bit of a distorted waveform. So tell me more about the engine and alternator and I can help narrow it down, I have wide acceptance settings on the inverter to prevent nuisance drop-offs, and I ramp up charging load slowly as the engine warms up.
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I have a Honda eu6500is that i am trying to figure out how it charges the battery while running. I had a dead battery so i started with pull cord, and then checked the voltage at the battery which was still low while running. I figured the battery could be pulling the voltage low if it was completely dead, so i removed the battery and checked the voltage on the battery cable again whole running.
Showed 0Vdc, so i checked the manual and it states that it is suppose to charge the battery while running. I looked at the schematics, there is 2 +battery cables 1 goes to the starter and the other goes thru the 15A fuse to the switch. Unless it charges thru one the 1A fuses back thru the switch i can't see how it suppose to charge, because it can't be back thru the starter.
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I verified all the fuses are good with a meter just to make sure. Thank in advance for any help.
I have a Honda eu6500is that i am trying to figure out how it charges the battery while running. Are there any error codes in the iMonitor? With the dead battery installed, cycle the iMonitor to the battery icon; what value is displayed? Do the same thing with the battery removed.what does the iMonitor show? The EU65000is, being an inverter-type generator, works a bit different than most conventional generators to charge the on-board battery. A traditional generator usually has a DC charging coil that delivers DCV output to a regulator, that then connects to the battery. On an inverter model like the EU6500is, there is no DC charging coil; all output from the coils is high-voltage AC, which is then CONVERTED to DC, then INVERTED back to AC.
The DCV used to charge the battery is delivered by the GCU (see red line): Can you fit a known, good battery and see if that resolves? Know nothing about Honda gensets.
FWIW, if you're trying to charge a dead battery I'd expect the results you're getting. Also, checking the battery cable voltage without a battery, depending on the charging circuit, would display 0volts without a load.
Charge your battery and do a load test. Depending on the age of the old battery, I'd just buy a new one, couple of years is about average for the small engine batteries.
I recently bought a 360AH at Tractor Supply for $34.99. Again, know nothing about Honda, is it an OEM only battery and as such may be more costly?
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I have a Honda eu6500is that i am trying to figure out how it charges the battery while running. I had a dead battery so i started with pull cord, and then checked the voltage at the battery which was still low while running.
I figured the battery could be pulling the voltage low if it was completely dead, so i removed the battery and checked the voltage on the battery cable again whole running. Showed 0Vdc, so i checked the manual and it states that it is suppose to charge the battery while running. I looked at the schematics, there is 2 +battery cables 1 goes to the starter and the other goes thru the 15A fuse to the switch. Unless it charges thru one the 1A fuses back thru the switch i can't see how it suppose to charge, because it can't be back thru the starter. I verified all the fuses are good with a meter just to make sure. Thank in advance for any help.
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I have a Honda eu6500is that i am trying to figure out how it charges the battery while running. Are there any error codes in the iMonitor? With the dead battery installed, cycle the iMonitor to the battery icon; what value is displayed?
Do the same thing with the battery removed.what does the iMonitor show? The EU65000is, being an inverter-type generator, works a bit different than most conventional generators to charge the on-board battery. A traditional generator usually has a DC charging coil that delivers DCV output to a regulator, that then connects to the battery. On an inverter model like the EU6500is, there is no DC charging coil; all output from the coils is high-voltage AC, which is then CONVERTED to DC, then INVERTED back to AC.
The DCV used to charge the battery is delivered by the GCU (see red line): Can you fit a known, good battery and see if that resolves? Know nothing about Honda gensets.
FWIW, if you're trying to charge a dead battery I'd expect the results you're getting. Also, checking the battery cable voltage without a battery, depending on the charging circuit, would display 0volts without a load. Charge your battery and do a load test. Depending on the age of the old battery, I'd just buy a new one, couple of years is about average for the small engine batteries. I recently bought a 360AH at Tractor Supply for $34.99. Again, know nothing about Honda, is it an OEM only battery and as such may be more costly?